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Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Thread Started on May 14, 2008, 12:37am »
First off what i'm about to say will not contain negative feedback. I will not blame anyone for anything. So as you read and consider to respond. I ask you to not blame anyone on this board or for thing that has or had not occured.
I'm writing on my reasons why i'm slow to post. No this has nothing to do with real life but more my actual reasons Why I'm stale in writing? I think for me the school setting becomes stiff. Not much growth for my character. I enjoy plotting parts of their life and watching as others allow me to succeed or else make me fail. It's sort of like the real world. I like having more freedom for my characters, there are limited places and things you can do with school aged children (who in our case act like there 20+ at times.) I've also noticed the longest RPG's are usually with adult characters. Akibe and Harris (my new favorite couple) who have spiced up the dance, by telling us she's doing naughty with a lollipop.
Students have limited lives to talk about, not that kids aren't fascinating. I teach them but eventually there's not much they can do in a boarding school. Heck you guys are great writers, so good that your charries don't sound like teenagers, they act more like adults. That makes them so much fun to write with. I know I'm no angel, so I'm taking responsibility for my lack of writing.
I think a change of venue for me, might get me to write. I'm an avid writer on ASU because its unique, not stagnant like school is. Our charries have our own agendas, we have to network to get things for our character.
I also like the real time play, it allows for the slower player to be slow, while those people who have to rpg everyday, the chance to do so. It also gives the administrator one less task to deal with.
I want you to examine why you haven't written without blaming, because its easier to blame than to be honest with ones self. I'm not condemning you if you say its boring, stagnant. Maybe having them older where you can leave to go where ever you'd like might help to get your spark back.
I'd like to know. Because if we all are in agreement that Future Hogwarts was a great place, but like it predacessors its time to end its run. Then it might be fair to do so, especially if we all have something exciting to look for.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #1 on May 14, 2008, 1:45am »
I don't think a venue change would help. I mean, it would, but I would still like to play in this game. Unless by venue change you mean moving this game over to Invisionboards, and then I'm all for that.
I think one of the reasons it's hard for me to write is, once I get behind in writing, it's hard for me to catch back up--or rather, it is if I have x-number of posts to reply to with x-number of characters in x-number of threads.
Another reason is, the in-game play lasts a long time. I think if we shortened it (even set down a "at this time the week/month will change" rule that we have to follow or stick to) that would help. Or maybe incorporate the real-time role-playing that you suggested.
For instance, we started the Halloween dance back in January, and now that it's May I don't really want to try to catch up after five months' worth of posting. I will, but it's a daunting task.
I know it's slow. I think we should have more board-wide plots, but not cliché things like dances/balls. Maybe we could have a thread where members post their plot ideas and we vote on which one(s) we want to do might help.
I think the students need to have more fun outside of classes without overdosing on drugs and alcohol and having wild, mad, passionate orgies. So that's one reason I'm suggesting more board-wide, student-oriented (but also something for the teachers to do either on their own or with the students) plots.
Um, honestly, I have nothing else to look forward to RPG-wise besides Future Hogwarts. All the other games I was in are long dead. *tear*
After I read this, I thought: This is not what I want to be reading the night I'm packing up to go back home for the summer. But I knew what I wanted to say so I to a break from packing to post this. I am being honest about both real-life and in-game things, so I hope this helps.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #2 on May 14, 2008, 2:11am »
I get bored with the threads because they last insanely long. We've been playing nearly the same span of time (one weekend I thinkg) for an extremely long time, not to mention the fact that we started the same year over again. As far as I can tell there is no specific deadline for a time change. We could stay on the same day for the next year. I think it would help a lot if we have a certain amount of time pass in the RPG world over a certain amount of time in the real world. If you don't have these limitations I think some of the same problems here will happen on the spin off site. People need things to keep moving.
As for the students lives being dry, I have to disagree. There's plenty of teenage drama that goes on in teens lives, there just needs to be a bit of outside influence I think, and not the same parties over and over again. Something new, unsuspecting would be great. Starting a plot discussion board (mentioned above) would be great for some of this stuff. I know plotting between only a couple people can get limited results, and it's amazing what great ideas can come from just talking with one other person.
That's all I can think of at the moment as it's a bit late. Might have more to add later .
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #3 on May 14, 2008, 2:12am »
Julie brought up some interesting points in IM. And a few of them I want to address to everyone. She said she loves playing them as kids, and I of course said we could always have a thread for past roleplays that are our first dates, first kisses, and that sort of thing, because that's really what we want to rpg. But for Crystal to waltz in the school and try to kill people that's insane. We'd need an army.
I mentioned to Julie that when we roleplay with no restrictions of curfew and/or space (i.e. walls of Hogwarts) then people might be inclined to write more. Because they can go where they want and do what they want. She thought I meant bad stuff. (Of course we can do that too).
Julie (i'm using you for an example). In school, we are codependent on each other. How? Well Julie is the headmaster, i'm the deputy, and the rest are teachers and students. Say Julie doesn't rpg for a few weeks, then its hard for us to ignore her absence, and then we all slide into that pattern. Teachers will usually converse with each other and student to student. There isn't much room for growth.
But when all the charries are at an equal playing field, there's more to discuss. Its adult to adult. Since we wouldn't all work at the same job or live in the same enviorment, it means we wouldn't be codependent. So if Julie doesn't write for months. We can assume that her charries are on vacation or in the hospital or anywhere else. While we can move on.
For the record sometimes i just don't have the time to change the calender, or i forget, cause I want to write or I become busy because of real life. So if time has elapsed, feel free to move on or even ask can i post for next week. I just don't know how much i can do if only two people are present.
Yes, there is drama in teenage lives, but some of us are far past that and its hard to remember. Keep that in mind. We have two rpg'ers in the mid 30's, one of which is married with 4 kids. Several rpg'ers are late 20's and they are married with children.
Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #4 on May 14, 2008, 2:19am »
Honestly, I think it's difficult to have the important positions actually played. If you NPC the Headmaster then you don't have to worry when someone is called away to real life because an Admin can just step in and play them for whatever role they're needed for. And even if the Headmaster disappears for a bit because he can't be played, that doesn't mean the characters have to assume they've gone missing. They can see them around, just never talk to them. There are plenty of students that aren't played throughout but we don't assume they've gone missing, they're just around. Again, just a personal opinion. I mean no offense if anyone has taken any.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #6 on May 14, 2008, 2:26am »
no offense taken, i need feedback and i think its all positive. as for npcing teacher or the headmaster. what's the point of school? Just to be teenagers? I told Julie I'd have the auxiliary area for people who might wish to continue with Hogwarts but for those teen moments.
She suggested group threads, but often they break down ex. the one with the nasty fight. S. Meg has seemed to have vanished (hoping she is well) from all the rpgs which included ours. That meant that fight scene never got finished. If not a dance then what quidditch practice, friends meeting in the halls, late night strolls. Truthfully, I didn't have drama as a teenager, or if I did, I know it was silly to what I've experienced as an adult. Not that i'm saying children don't have drama, (hell I met a six year old who's dad commited suicide by jumping off a building right in front of him.) That's drama. I just mean that I had friends who fussed over everything, but I'm like Bas, easy going and so there isn't much drama for a kid who goes with the flow, except for getting in trouble.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #7 on May 14, 2008, 2:32am »
Well, the real time thing would still also depend on when we change the time. Unless it defaultly changes every month?
I agree with Beth on that there is drama in our teenagers' lives, but I also see your point, Mari, in that the students are co-dependent on each other, and I see your point on NPCing/not NPCing teachers.
Mari, what we discussed in IM: I both like and dislike the idea of bunches of one-on-one threads. Like, the only time the adults would be getting together would be Order meetings; but here, the students can get together for breaking curfew, breaking rules, pulling pranks, during classes, outside of classes, etc.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #8 on May 14, 2008, 2:45am »
Julie you have great ideas, but when the house have unequal representation, it would be pranks to npcs or me or maybe Bet (hard because Esmerelda is so quiet). Everyone of us plays a Gryffindor (pretty much our main character) The slytherin charries are ignored except when evil is needed. And hufflepuffs are barely around. How many times can you break curfew before it gets redundant? Besides its not fun punishing yourself.
I'm grateful for this conversation. Its enlightening as long as it remains a no blaming thread but one of looking into yourself. I'm hoping we can see a problem. But as of right now it looks like we have lots of different reasons for not posting. Its good to know why, otherwise its just always I'm busy, when really its something else.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #9 on May 14, 2008, 4:11am »
I'm with Beth and Julie on the time changing thing. On HTF we do things in batches of months, currently we're doing 1st December 1981-28th February 1982, and underneath we include the real time dates as well, 14th April-9th June.
This means that: A) People know that any threads they want to start should be done soon if time is running out (they can continue after time has changed). B) People plot in advance because they look and go "oh good, I only need to wait a week and a half before I can play". C) Me and Megz aren't very good at coding but we prod Beth about it so she has no reason to forget. D) We do let people skip forward if they're busy (Ames went on holiday for 2 weeks so we let her start her mega drama thread a week early) but most of the time no one needs to do this.
I really fail to see why FH can't be sped up a bit, I know you said you're busy and you forget Mari but what is going to stop the same thing happening on the new board? FH would really benefit from some stricter timings, since we've implemented it on HTF barely a day goes by when we don't have at least one new post. When the end of the times is approaching my MSN goes nuts with players sorting out storylines. And there's quite a lot of students there, and a LOT of drama. You said some people can skip ahead if they want to, but how far ahead can they skip? One week? One month? The relation between RP time and RL time needs to be clarified.
One other thing that HTF has benefitted from, is scrapping lessons. They're just the background to what our students do, they mention homework and mention classes but the only thing that is RPed out is private tuition or library sessions. This means that people aren't bogged down in replying to a class thread where bugger-all happens and instead get to play with the dramatic stuff.
For the time being I won't be joining the new board, I've got some Peter/Akibe stuff planned out with Clare for this board and HTF has currently got my characters in 3 threads so I don't have time. I just think that with a little TLC, FH could be really good, rather than give up on it and move over to a new RP.
Also, with regards to age of players, two of our newest players are in their 30's (one spends half her time complaining about doing tax forms for various people) and they have very dramatic characters. We don't have a single person under the age of 20 on the board.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #10 on May 14, 2008, 4:23am »
Katie, I like the idea of giving players a wider time span, so that way they aren't constricted to say, a week or a month. Using your example from HTF, they could play either Christmas, New Years, or Valentine's Day threads, as well as everything in between; and then they can finish them in archives if the time changes before the threads are finished.
I also accept and acknowledge your reasons for not wanting to join the new board.
I agree with Katie on this one: that with just a little TLC, FH could pick back up and be great. We can't give up and start a brand new board every time one starts to get slow. (Not that we've done that, and I will still be joining the new board, but I hope you get my meaning.)
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #11 on May 14, 2008, 4:49am »
I don't think that what I'm going to say will make much difference, because I think I'm pretty impartial; I don't know which one I would prefer. And I might just be reiterating what's already been said >.<
Starting with the first thought that just sprang into my mind: RPing an adult can be difficult when in a school situation, or that's what I find, anyway, because there are a limited number of people with whom it's easy to RP, and those are the other professors, because they are the only other adults that they encounter. I'm not saying I hate writing a thread when it includes an adult talking with a student, because I think it can be really interesting and fun, but it does feel just that tiny bit awkward because of the difference in, well, status (without meaning to offend any students) and the fact that when talking to professors the students are more likely to guard what they say and do because teachers have that authority to take House points and stuff. Though... If we did RP the students when they're adults, there would still be that age difference between them and the professors, but I guess interaction would be different -- don't get me wrong, I mean, I'm friends with my old Classics teacher, but it still feels... different XD I'm trying to think up another word for that, but failing dismally. But, there wouldn't be the same sort of barrier caused by school rules; the students can say what they want and never be given detention again.
As for having more fun as an adult character... I'm not entirely sure I would agree with that. I think it depends. I understand what you're saying about an adult's life being longer, therefore giving more time for events to have happened during it, but then sometimes the most exciting stuff has already passed. I know I chose to RP two teachers and one student, just to use myself as an example, but sometimes writing for Connor can be refreshing after playing Marie, or even Peter (who isn't so much of an adult anyway XD) because somehow there isn't that whole... I don't know. I mean, it would look pretty bizarre if the teachers had mini duels against each other or arguments in the corridors whenever they passed; or, if those from the other Houses decided to gang up together and plant dungbombs in the offices of those from Slytherin before running off and hiding to watch what happens whilst giggling about it to each other. Although... *daydreams* Anyway, there's just that certain... element of fun that can only be found with RPing a student. There are probably a million and one arguments against that XD but if the time were to change, I think having the area allowing Hogwarts to continue might have to be a must.
I agree, though, about the fact that it may be the rate at which the weeks tick over that is causing the lull in posting, because sometimes you have plot ideas for some time close in the future, and not moving ahead with the board can be... I don't know, discouraging, I guess. Generally, I think moving the date on a little bit quicker would be a good idea.
I also think that dances can get a little repetitive -- although they present some interesting situations ^_~ -- and I agree that we should start thinking about some really interesting stuff that can happen for students... which is hard to do, as >.< I have to admit, there is only a limited number of things that students can get up to.
Oh! Yes. I remember what I wanted to say about the age thing, just because I wanted to give the other side -- not because I'm saying that every adult should remember exactly what it's like to be a teenager still in school or suffer the consequences XD Just as a quick thought, speaking for myself: people may not remember what it's like to be a teenager that age, but I don't know what it's like to be a proper adult yet, surviving on my own two feet. This is surely the point, though -- that RPing is meant to stretch your imagination and your writing skills, whilst being enjoyable at the same time. I see it like verbal acting, using the written word instead of the spoken one; but that may just be me XD Surely, though, it shouldn't really matter what age you or your character are, because that's what acting is about. As long as the character remains believable -- and fifteen/sixteen-year-olds can be a lot more mature than I thought or remembered -- then a few minor discrepancies can be ignored...
As always, I have blithered on about nothing in particular, which has no proper consequence... apologies for the length XD I'm naturally a very indecisive person, and I don't like putting out my opinion because I don't want to offend anyone with it, but I thought I'd better add something or it would look like I didn't care. Generally, though, I'll go with the changes that the majority want to make. I'm still debating with myself whether or not to join the new board, although I am sorely tempted because of that more dangerous element, and a chance to see how the characters would change, or wouldn't. Ehh... I don't know if what I've said makes any sense, even. Never mind. I'm posting it anyway.
Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #12 on May 14, 2008, 8:54am »
Why I’m not posting, interesting question. There are quite a few reasons. Besides real life, finally back in school (yet again), family, work, friends, ect., time tends to get a little tight, with no pull room.
Admittedly I have grown tired of the teenage scene. I’m not one, I’ll admit, I am in my mid 20s. I am a compulsive writer and I find a lot of the times these days I can’t really think of anything to do with my teenagers. Both Donovan and Angel have great potential.
I am a go for the new board, as it was an idea of mine. I want to see Donnie and Angel as adults. There are so many things that can happened and I am all for keeping the original board. When/If we do this, lets go to the real timing. For instance, its May… so we role-play May, when June hits, we are in June.
On an expanded month line, I believe it could get a little confusing. I am one of the players who tends to disappear and despite love for the site, if the innovative (so to speak) isn’t there, I am never satisfied with the posts I make.
Mai mentioned AS:MM and I tend to be more active there. I have six characters there, and sometimes I fall behind but the most joy I get is playing a 30 something Hermione Granger who is having a fling with Draco… (yes, odd, but so damn fun!)
Another thing for me and I can’t believe I am saying it, but the whole Harry Potter aspect is tiring for me. I have one novel out, and I need to work on my second but I can’t. I use RPGs to escape my serious writing and be able to have fun, while keeping up with writing. Sometimes Harry Potter type boards tends to drain me, again I love the genre.
I for one will join the new board. I have a spoof board to role-play without seriousness, and these are boards I treasure. Inspiration for them have also dwindled. That is my take….
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #13 on May 14, 2008, 9:11am »
Truthfully, I'm burnt out. I feel I'm letting you all down, when I can't think of anything fun to do. It hurts. I cry. I wanna keep the site, don't kid yourselves, but when the creative spark is gone. It just seems boring.
As for the month thing, I have my reason for not liking that. What happens if you start a thread for say may 5, but someone starts a post with you may 4 and it sends you to the hospital. How could you now be in that place next when you should be in the hospital. We could try the real time thing to avoid the confusion. Since you can't post ahead of the date. So if you're in a fight then you might want to think twice about having your charrie in the hallways the next day. I'm for trying the real time thing but there is one thing. The Real time thing would mean a 7 month jump, putting our characters closer to the end of the year. We'd lose all the holidays. We cpuld back date all the holidays if you wish, but several players would be basically leaving fh as kids.
Also for me I think the login log out becomes another problem. I don't know about you guys. But it detracts me from playing. I spend more time figuring out who should go and not go, especially if i'm in a rush. I almost always forget what screenname I'm using and boom I responded to a love scene with the wrong charrie.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #15 on May 14, 2008, 10:01am »
One thing i shared with meg is that if we did real time as opposed to month or weeks. Admins could focus on other things and not oh darn I need to change the date, everything is automatic. Also with real time we could put a weather bug on the site, that would give us the current weather for that city so we have something to reference, when we do outdoor threads. Also it might solve slowness on reading apps if we had mods for that thread. Peope who would want to read apps in the absence of admins. This way Admins could be more into rpg'ing than coding, reading apps, and plotting. It would make the site more lived in.
Also on ASU we have personal plot pages, but according to Jess, that's not what they are. But I like the type on ASU so as to not get them confused with real plot pages We will call them personal reference pages. they are quick ways of referencing character events that happened after the person submitted their bio. It also is a place to put down possible future threads, finally list important info about yourself.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #16 on May 14, 2008, 10:27am »
I like how Katie said they did it at HTF where they have a couple in-game months to RP. I like that idea. That way it's not real-time, but we also don't have to worry about changing the date so frequently. I don't know if I could deal with a 7- or 8-month jump in real-time.
I'm still standing by the whole "Let's have a thread where members post plot ideas and what they'd like to see happen game-wise" so then we don't have to think up everything ourselves.
Also, like I mentioned earlier, I don't feel right going "Oh, this isn't working out, let's quit and start something else." Things don't always work that way in real-life, so why not keep the board going?
I'm in my 20s too (albeit early 20s) and I don't mind RPing a teenager still. I'd really like to stick with it, I don't want to give up on it. It's a game that I've put years of my life into: I'm not giving up that easily. And, it seems that it's majority so far that want to stick with FH and keep it going.
By the way, I'm about to finish packing up the last of my things and head home, so I won't be able to check this thread again until late tonight or sometime tomorrow.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #17 on May 14, 2008, 10:34am »
yeah, but i'm the kind of person who would get really lost because one person is dealing with May 21 and I'm on my 2nd. Then when its ready to change months, what if i'm working and have no time (say its exam months and i'm stuck grading papers), Julie is busy with college and says she can't post for weeks because of fencing, and Meg is dealing with her real life issues, we'd be back to square one.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #18 on May 14, 2008, 11:49am »
But the current system is holding everyone back, we've been playing the same 5 days for the past 5 months! Believe me, your creativity really does start to improve when you realise you can play something sooner, rather than wait half a year to move on by another 5 days.
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Re: Food For Thought! The discussion thread. « Reply #19 on May 14, 2008, 11:57am »
Maybe some sort of compromise between the two could be made? What I'm trying to say is that I'm also a bit apprehensive at skipping seven or eight months straight away, because you never know what could happen between then. Perhaps, somehow, there could be a combination of the two "calendar methods" -- sorry, I don't know what else to call them XD
I was thinking, would it be feasible, and hopefully not too confusing, to use the HTF method -- just to be able to put it simply in a single term -- for a couple of weeks (RL) until the RP date has caught up with our own, then switch to real-time on FH? The problem is, although it sounds like a good idea to me, I don't know what it'll be like to RP real-time, because I've never done it, but the best way to learn a game is by playing it... I may find myself regretting wanting to RP real-time if it happens XD Anyway, that was just a random idea that sprang into my mind when I read up on the replies to the thread, and something I thought I would just suggest.
Also, Future Hogwarts has been the one constant RPG that has actually kept going, whilst all of the others I've been part of have lived and died... I think that's something it should be proud of. And I'm with Julie on this one -- I'm not going to let it die if I can help it^^
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